Thursday, April 02, 2009

Democrat Christians and other Oxymorons

Are there Christians that own and run bordellos? Are there Christians who financially back the production of pornographic movies? Are there Christians who make their living selling illegal drugs?

I don't think so.

Are there Christians who support atheistic organizations bent on the silencing of Biblical truth and principles? Are there Christians who facilitate the legalization of partial birth abortion and the abortion industry in general? Are there Christians who would expedite cultural changes such as gay marriage and the acceptance of cross-dressing or transsexual teachers in public schools?

Yes. These are Christians who vote for Democrats.

When I was in high school there were men in my church who supported the Democrat Party. I thought they were wrong to do so because of economic and defense issues. It was a friendly, sort of blurry difference of opinion.

But since then, Roe vs. Wade, the ACLU, and the Gay Lobby have sharpened the picture and delineated the political map.

In every contentious, moral issue facing this country that challenges Biblical teaching or seeks to undermine the church and the gospel, there is one political party that consistently sides against the Church. Does anyone not find amazing the consistency and faithfulness to all things spiritually subversive that distinguishes these Democrats?

So don't tell me that candidate so-and-so is a Democrat, but an elder in his church. Don't attempt to persuade me by saying that it's only local politics. Christians don't join organizations that prop up sin. People who seek the Kingdom don't facilitate evil with their vote. Men of God no longer choose the Democrat Party.

The principalities, the rulers of the darkness of this world, and the spiritually wicked in high places are at work on this planet, and it should surprise no one that politics too, reduces to good vs. evil.

For now, there is still a party that offers a few Godly candidates. For now.

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21 comments:

janice said...

I couldn't agree more, Chris.

The problem, as I see it, is that these Christian democrats do not believe in evil.

Great post, Chris.

ChuckL said...

Sorta like inviting President Obama, who advocates policies that allow infants born alive after an abortion procedure to be placed in a room to die of neglect, to speak at the graduation ceremony at Notre Dame? What are those university officials thinking? Let him speak at Harvard or USC or some other heathen place, but to invite him to Notre Dame? I hope he receives a boycott. At least faithful members of the Catholic Christian faith are offering protest.

ChuckL said...

Thanks for your post. I'll have to dig up one of my responses to a good ol' Othello Bach column in the Kokomo Tribune. An ordained minister in a [supposedly] Christian church, she always supported about anything that God's Word tells us to avoid. She is a perfect fit for your depiction here.

Grammy said...

Prov. 16:25 - "THERE IS A WAY THAT SEEMS RIGHT TO A MAN, BUT ITS END IS THE WAY OF DEATH."

Leftist Christians are moral relativists and liberal theologans intending to do good. You know the pillar of liberalism...intent.

What got humanity in big trouble from the very beginning was a desire for knowlege of good and evil. We are designed to need to be told by God what is good and what is evil. An underlying evil today remains the desire to have the power to declare things good and evil depending upon current circumstanmces. Almost anything could be declared good by a moral relativist if you convolute things enough.

For example: Prostitution is okay because it's all some women have to rely on for a living and God tells us to care for the lost so lets not take their only income away.

The bottom line question for me is, do you believe that you need to have your sins covered by the blood of Jesus to be saved? If so you have to acknowlege sin first and foremost. It's wrong to meet someone's physical needs and leave him or her in sin. It's also wrong to judge their sin and leave them in physical need.

We're probably all guilty of moral relativism to some degree. There's plenty of evidence that by and large (no pun intended), fundamentalists find the sin of gluttony quite above confrontation.

And ChuckL - As a Catholic, I'm disgusted by the Notre Dame thing, but I'm not surprised. Eggheads are eggheads. Don't get me started on higher "education". I wouldn't trust any of the prominent Catholic colleges. I'd rather send my kids to a corrupt secular school than a corrupt Christian school. At least there's no expectation regarding moral positions.

janice said...

Grammy,

I'm Catholic as well, and it sickens me to think this
pro-infanticide let alone
pro-abortion, president will give the grad address.

It fly's in the face of the Catholic hierarchy.

ChuckL said...

I have learned that there are some quite good preachers/pastors/theologians leaving comments on Malott's blog. Better be careful; you may see some of your comments showing up in my sermons! :)

(Preachers are always looking for good ideas).

ChuckL said...

Yes, I found a letter I wrote back in 2004. For those of you who do not know Ms. Othello Bach, she is pastor of a Disciples of Christ Church in Hobbs, Indiana. Up until a couple of years ago, she wrote a column for the Kokomo Tribune. I commented on some of her columns a few times...

*****
Dear Editor,

Since Ms. Othello Bach typically refers to her Christian faith as at least a part of the rationale upon which she bases her opinions, and since the Bible is our primary source document for the testimony and practice of that faith, I think it is appropriate to compare the two records. (1) The Bible says that unjustified killing is wrong. Ms. Bach writes that choice trumps the sanctity of life, making the taking of fetal life acceptable. (2) In every instance that it is mentioned in the Bible, homosexual behavior is condemned. Ms. Bach writes that because it is an expression of love, homosexual behavior is acceptable. (3) The Bible provides provisions for the justification of war under certain circumstances. Ms. Bach appears to hold that no war, especially the war against terrorists in which we are currently engaged, is justifiable. (4) The Bible demonstrates that love for God and obedience to God go hand in hand. Ms. Bach has indicated in numerous articles that disobeying God is acceptable, even required, in order for love to be possible.
The record indicates that if one agrees with Ms. Bach, then he or she must disagree with the Bible and vice-versa. Perhaps Ms. Bach can address in a forthcoming editorial what the Christian faith is supposed to look like apart from its primary source of testimony, the Bible.
*****

And while looking for this letter, i ran across a couple of others I'm posting at my blog,
www.chuckschants.blogspot.com

Oh boy.

Grammy said...

Well, ChuckL...That came from Hobbs, Indiana? It just doesn't sound like grain-belt thinking.

ChuckL said...

Oh yes.

I have quite a history of responding to Ms. Bach's columns, as do quite a few others.

SkyePuppy said...

Chuck,

Wow, the Disciples of Christ apple has rolled awfully far away from the Restoration Movement tree that spawned it.

Malott said...

And the farther it rolls away from the tree the smaller and more shrivelled it becomes.

Tsofah said...

Sorry, Chris. Although I lean Republican; I don't think you can make such a blanket statement. I know some very staunch pro-life, anti gay-rights Democrats. As well, I know some very pro-choice, pro-gay rights Republicans. Both types proclaimed themselves as Christians. (As we have seen this past year during the elections).

How does either party improve unless Christians are able to participate and hopefully make a positive difference?

I'm sure ChuckL will come back with some sort of vitriolic comment toward me and or my view, as usual. Please, ChuckL, don't bother. I'm not sure why you react toward me as you do. But, I'd appreciate it if you didn't.

Palm Sunday, Pesach, and Easter are all next week. It would be nice to have some peace.

Malott said...

Tsofah,

I'll agree that you'll find all kinds of people in both parties.

But overwhelmingly, one party supports the ACLU and its anti-religion... No... its Anti-Jesus efforts. One party is rabidly pro-(UNLIMITED)-abortion rights. One party nominates judges that will soon give us coast-to-coast gay marriage.

I know you know which party that is.

People who vote for Democrats vote for these things.

Happy Resurrection Sunday.

Malott said...

Tsofah,

Note. I'm not saying that if you vote for Democrats that you're going to hell. That's not my call.

But a man who seeks first the Kingdom will recognize the moral difference between Justice Sam Alito and Justice Ruth Bader Ginsberg.

He will see the moral difference between pro-life Senator Sam Brownback and Pro-abortion Senator Ted Kennedy.

And even if you have a conservative Democrat Congressman, he will still be a part of putting Nancy Pelosi in charge of the House of Representatives.

You'll never hear a pro-life speech at the Democrat National Convention. You won't hear someone stand up and speak against gay marriage. People who believe that way aren't allowed to speak.

That's the Democrat Party...

I maintain that Christians don't choose a Party like that. Why would they?

Tsofah, I admire your loving attitude... I could take lessons.

Jesus was ultra-liberal with His love, but ultra-conservative in His adherence to the truth.

And the Democrats? The truth is not in them.

ChuckL said...

Tsofah writes, "How does either party improve unless Christians are able to participate and hopefully make a positive difference?

I am in complete agreement.

I am taken aback that you believe that I have made vitriolic statements about or against you. I cannot recall anything vitriolic that I have directed at you personally.

I, too, seek peace.

May he peace of Christ be with you.

ChuckL said...

Even though I serve in a denomination that has its large share of left-leaning pastors, theologians, and leaders, I still have yet to hear any good rationale why so much of their typically ideology is at odds with Biblical truth.

While there are plenty out there ready & willing to use the Bible to support their demands for redistribution of wealth, "protect" the environment, and many other liberal pet projects, they reject the Bible outright for any calls to cultural morality & piety.

SkyePuppy said...

Chuck,

The pastor at the Singles group I attend said one time that he was talking to a Christian friend. (Stop me if I've told this story before). This friend was telling the pastor about a buddy of his who is shacked up with his girlfriend. So, the friend has been telling his buddy over and over that he needs to quit living with his girlfriend and get his life right.

At some point in the conversation with the pastor, the friend mentioned that his buddy isn't a Christian, and the pastor stopped his friend right there.

"What are you trying to do? Get your buddy all cleaned up for Hell?"

It's a good question for all of us Christians, to be sure we're focusing our efforts where they will do the most good. Yes, we can (and must try to) clean up the world by working to eliminate abortion and the free-sex permissive culture and all the rest. But in the end, it will be for nothing if people still find themselves spit-shined in Hell because they didn't know Jesus in their time on earth.

SkyePuppy said...

Chuck,

Ugh! You hit a nerve.

I saw a new version of the Bible at Barnes & Noble the other day: The Green Bible (NRSV). It has all the earth-friendly verses in green print. Darn-near made me spew invectives!

Malott said...

Skyepuppy,

Your minister made a good point. We need to keep the main thing the main thing.

But are we Christians going to be involved in politics or not? Are we going to allow our mission field to be polluted with unchallenged liberalism and liberal theology?

We aren't living under Roman oppression. We are responsible for the kind of government and laws we live under.

And...

I can't believe there is a green Bible.

SkyePuppy said...

Chris,

Yes, we must be involved in politics, because the alternative is to allow the enemy his way on earth, making it even harder to win people to Christ. We need to be sure our focus isn't just cleaning up society.

And the "green" books come out of the woodwork in April, just in time for Earth Day (gag!).

Tsofah said...

I posted something in honor of Skyepuppy's favorite colored Bible .....(not!) :-)

http://tsofah.blogspot.com/2009/04/scottys-drink-and-green-bible.html

Enjoy!